Jun 02

I ride in a no man’s land. Somewhere faster than most club riders, but far slower than most people who race. Tonight was an amazing display of the former and why I don’t really feel like I belong at club rides much anymore.

I went to meet the regular club ride that leaves from the Velodrome tonight, fully intending to just soft pedal, chill out, and have a good time. I figured I could find my way into the ‘B’ group when it splits off and just have some fun. The website said ride at 5:45, so at 5:40 I was approaching the parking lot when the group went past me in the opposite direction. Lovely. So I park quickly and put my front wheel on, turn on my computer, strap on my helmet and start the sprint to try and catch the group. Nothing like starting my ‘casual’ ride with a full on sprint and no warm up, right? In any case I catch the group in less than one mile and make my way into the middle of the group where I fully intend to hide and just ride along. I see the ride leader up front and he seems to be paying very close attention to a female companion. Ok whatever, but if the ride was advertised as a C ride meaning 12-15mph on flat, or 10-13 over rolling/hilly terrain. I figure the riding around the Velodrome is flat to rolling, so Im figuring 13-14 mph is the expected pace however since the ride leader appears more concerned with his companion than the group so the pace is more like 10-12. Some folks in the back begin to grumble and move toward the front. A tandem chugs along and is having to brake-check more often than the captain seems to want to.  Oh well, were just out here to have some fun, right? Then it happens, the ‘companion's’ chain drops, and she cant get it back on while riding so she stops. Then the ride leader stops. He waves the group on with a ‘keep going’ so we do. Now, the tandem steams along and some of the folks who were getting twitchy  in the back start to pick up the pace. I roll to the front and start to spin my normal cadence. One of the guys moves up along side of me and begins to pick up the pace. I match him. He picks up again. I match him. He stands to sprint. I stay seated and match him up the next hill. At this point I realize I don’t have anything I need to prove so I ease off. Im may never by 'fast' but at least Im stronger than the average club rider. The rest of the twitchy guys start to play amongst themselves and the next hill comes. I stay seated, in my big ring and power up it. We descend towards Bowers park, realizing that the main group is now pretty far behind us, so someone suggests we stop at the park to regroup. The main group comes in, some folks get some water, and we wait for the ride leader. He finally rolls in and thoroughly berates us for riding ahead calling us ’assholes’ and letting us know ‘none of us are ever invited to his rides again because we left a rider behind.’ All this after telling us to keep going. Ok tough guy- when you pander to your lady friend and tell us to keep going, what do you expect us to do? We talk among ourselves a little and everyone confirms that we heard him tell us all to keep going, and even some of the other beginner riders are a bit put off both with the slower than expected pace as well as the behavior of this guy. I guess that’s how it goes sometimes, but as we ride back all I can keep thinking is how I just don’t belong in this kind of group anymore either. I guess I just need to keep getting stronger so I can ride with the Emmaus crew more often.

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casula observer

Posted on Tuesday, 3 June 2008 19:39

Dan,

The Monday ride is not what it used to be. The ride leader you mentioned is known to be an ass!

Tom

Posted on Wednesday, 4 June 2008 15:45

Dan,
I ride the Business Man Special Ride that goes off at 5:30pm on Thursday at the Stabler Arena Parking lot. Check the LWA website for more details.
Nice group of riders. We all have respect for one another and the pace is a B to B+ , avg speed is usually 15-16. 25-30 miles. I always have a nice time.

Rudy Muto

Posted on Wednesday, 4 June 2008 19:43

Just stick to the mtb, Dan. Then you only have to deal with assholes like me. :lol:

Awsome pics of the Classic. You've got a good eye and nice talent I have the first picture as my wallpaper.

Rob Erbeau

Posted on Thursday, 5 June 2008 03:23

First off, let me identify myself as the ride leader in question. In the past 3 years, I have led over 150 rides for the LWA. In all those rides, I have had only two riders ever injured, and they were hit by a car that turned illegally into our group. Safety on the road has always been and will always be my number one priority. I am proud of my record. I offer my time freely and feel I've made many good friends through cycling. I am happy to give back to the community. I recently organized and led the LWA's first Ride of Silence. Whenever the club has needed someone to lead a slower paced ride, I have always stepped up since most of the rest of club can't be bothered. Like the author of this thread who obviously has no clue about ride etiquette. The female in question was a recent victim of a serious bike crash. She had contacted me to ask if I would assist her in rejoining the group riding scene, as she was extremely worried about crashing again. I assured her that she could ride in front of the group and that I would keep an eye out for her. I would do this for ANYONE. Just ask around. I am a volunteer, not a paid employee. If people don't like the way I lead a ride, then don't show up. The club isn't exactly overflowing with people willing to lead folks that want to ride a slower pace. And BTW, the C ride pace is 12-14 MPH, and will be determined by the ride leader.
Now for how I reacted when I arrived in Bowers. There is no doubt that the way I handled that situation was wrong. I apologize to all present for my comments. The fact is I'm human too. Call me an "ass" if you want to, but I try to do my best to take folks out for a good time and bring them back safely. I stand on my reputation. I would have been better off to have informed the group that proper C ride etiquette is to wait at the next safe place to regroup, rather than turn a C ride into a hammerfest to satisfy the few B riders that were along. BTW, why doesn't any of these B riders step up and lead a B ride? Maybe that would be a better use of your time rather than hurling insults at me. Of course then you couldn't brag about how you ride so brilliantly and so on.
Bottom line, I screwed up, I admit it. I regret what I said, I've contacted as many individuals as possible, and the replies I've received were heart-warming to say the least. I'm a big boy, and I can take the criticism. I admit when I'm wrong, but I'm not going to go out and hang myself because I blew a fuse. And unless the LWA tells me they would rather I don't lead rides, then I will continue to do so.
Casula observer, isn't anonymity great??

rsdmag

Posted on Thursday, 5 June 2008 04:37

Thank you Mr. Erbeau for your clarification of the Monday night ride and for identifying yourself, however I ask that you please re-read the post. There was never a question of your safety record, nor your ability to lead a ride. There were no insults hurled in the post, and I purposely left out specifics other than starting time/place in an attempt to obscure identifying information about specific people. Since the group left earlier than advertised, I was not aware of an opportunity for a 'B' ride to be formed. Yes I question your reaction, but what we did after you waved us on was to stop at the next known safe meeting point which was Bowers Park. Yes we had a little fun, but if you also read the post you will find that when I realized enough was enough I eased off. With that said, I will keep searching for a ride that suits me better. Thank you for the eduaction.

Rob Erbeau

Posted on Thursday, 5 June 2008 06:03

Quite the contrary, I felt highly insulted by your insinuations that my attention was direction at my "female companion" rather than the group. First off, who do you think you are saying another rider is my "companion?" Second, how do you know what's going through my head as I pace the group? You certainly questioned my ability as a leader, and to now back pedal and say otherwise is absurd. The safe place to stop and regroup was not another 8 miles down the road, but rather just past the next stop sign a few hundred yards up the road. If the ride doesn't suit you that's one thing, but to defame my character by saying I was somehow distracted by saying, "since the ride leader appears more concerned with his companion than the group," is uncalled for and just flat wrong.
I'm sure you will find a ride that suits you. Since you were so careful about quoting the pace guidelines, perhaps you didn't get the part about arriving 10-15 minutes early, not pulling in 5 minutes before the ride rolls out. As for the education, I'm not sure much was accomplished. Like I said, I own my mistake. Do you?

rsdmag

Posted on Thursday, 5 June 2008 12:39

Mr. Erbeau- I am happy to own my mistakes. You are correct, I do not know what is going on in your head so assuming that your concern was more for her well being than the groups was a mistake. For that I apologize. The term 'companion' was used because of the definition for the word- per Merriam-Webster's online dictionary -' 1: one that accompanies another : comrade, associate; also : one that keeps company with another' Since you yourself explained that you were keeping an eye out for her, does that not make her your companion? Should we have stopped at the next stop sign? Sure, that was another mistake which I freely admit and own but according to the LWA ride leader guidelines you are not responsible for riders who ride off the front of the pack so you would have been within your rights to let us go. I think my biggest mistake though, was showing up for a ride that did not suit my needs as a rider. That is what this post was about after all- not about defaming anyone's character so I am sorry you took it that way. Please rest-assured that I will not be attending your future rides because I have certainly learned from my mistakes.

Rob Erbeau

Posted on Thursday, 5 June 2008 13:09

I accept your gracious apology. I'm sorry you had a bad experience. The bottom line for me is the love of our sport that we share. Maybe there is room for common ground. At any rate, my apology is genuine, and I will always strive to think before speaking. Unfortunately, I don't always succeed on that front. As for the "companion" comment, you were obviously implying there was more to it than what was really going on. Lucky for me, the lady in my life understood and had prior knowledge about my plans. To read your report, you made it sound like something else was up. BTW, the woman in question felt great about her return to the road and thanked me for staying with her. Like I said, I would do that for ANYONE.
So enough, let's get back to cycling...
See you on the road!

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